You’re entire criticism is based on “hysterical anti-nazis who start labeling everyone they disagree with as a ‘nazi’” or the notion of “left-wing authoritarianism.” No one is advocating either here. So what is your point?

It’s not obvious? You can’t go around hitting people “just ‘cause, even if they are as noxious as Spencer. The rule of law is not something to be set aside because you disagree with somebody’s words, or even their nonthreatening actions. If you are at risk of assault, by all means defend yourself. But if it’s anything short of that, the one who lashes out is at fault. And that’s as it should be.

Further, you have a labeling problem. Spencer and skinheads are easy examples because they are clear about their beliefs; but I do not trust an angry mob to properly decide who is a “nazi”, and thus a justifiable target for violence, and who is not. These words get bandied about way too easily these days. The vast majority of the people who use the term “fascist” don’t know what it means.

If some people are behaving poorly (“from what we’re seeing from ‘antifa’”), then criticize them specifically, but that has nothing to do with what I’m talking about here or the movement as a whole. You can always look at any group and find bad examples, but that doesn’t mean that the cause as a whole is somehow unjust or unworthy.

I’m seeing this “we’re peaceful, those other guys aren’t us” excuse pop up rather commonly over the last month. The problem is that one group facilitates another. Antifa isn’t, to my knowledge, out there staging their own demonstrations and causing trouble at them; they show up where other, larger protests are planned, cause their trouble, then scurry back and use the crowd for cover.

IOW, the larger protest is facilitating them. They are, arguably, accessories to Antifa behavior.

There were bad actors in the Civil Rights Movement, the Abolitionist Movement, the Suffrage Movement, and Labor Rights Movement. Does than mean those causes were any less just? You’re basically saying, “If some people use this as an excuse to be assholes, then the whole thing is problematic.” I don’t buy that line of thinking, not for a second.

Apples and Oranges. In all the movements you mention, a righteous minority was protesting against an entrenched unrighteous majority. That’s not the case in your thesis; in your case, a righteous majority is protesting (violently) against an unentrenched unrighteous minority (Spencer and the skinheads).

This is way too close to a vigilante point of view for my tastes. And if adopted as acceptable by an elected left-wing government…..then that would be the very definition of left-wing authoritarianism.

Hope that helps.

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Data Driven Econophile. Muslim, USA born. Been “woke” 2x: 1st, when I realized the world isn’t fair; 2nd, when I realized the “woke” people are full of shit.

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