I see the “left” as the ones driving change and living it.

We’re using two different definitions of the term “change”. You’re talking about political/policy change, I’m talking about changes in people, their world view, etc.

So, my tongue-in-cheek comment could be rewritten as “liberals don’t want to negotiate with us, they just want us all to become liberals. “

Take the environment, how many conservatives are interested in preserving the environment (for ex.) and then take action to reduce their own carbon footprint? none that I know.

Pretty much everyone I know on the conservative side is an “environmentalist” from the perspective of “prefer cleaner to dirtier”. That said, we tend to think that government is not a reliable change agent, and prefer the market to drive that change organically.

Conversely, I know lots of liberals that take positive steps to change their diet by eating less meat, drive fuel efficient cars, oppose Arctic drilling, support alternative energy.

Good for them. We believe in freedom of choice, and when somebody says they are “eating less meat” or “driving fuel efficient cars”, we think they’re just virtue-signalling. Alternative energy is fine as long as it can survive without government tax breaks, and Arctic drilling — — come on. That one was an issue in the 80’s that is long past due. Drilling up there does not affect the environment at all, with today’s technology (and considering that the Canadians are right there across the border drlling their little hearts out.)

So, I would like to believe that there are conservatives that want to actually “conserve”, but sadly the empirical evidence is slim to none.

Issue conservativism isn’t afraid of change; we just want the change to be evolutionary, organic, and market-driven.

Data Driven Econophile. Muslim, USA born. Been “woke” 2x: 1st, when I realized the world isn’t fair; 2nd, when I realized the “woke” people are full of shit.

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