The moment the credibility of a reasoned, detailed account of events by an individual is questioned, discussion ends.

However, the “we won the election” comment was made in a larger meeting and witnessed by others, as was Obama’s later evisceration of Paul Ryan in public.

You can obfuscate all you like, but to the conservative side of the house, Obama was not a trustworthy or dependable partner in democracy — — and for factual, concrete, and nonracial reasons.

Having said that, you will of course hold whatever opinion you prefer.

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Data Driven Econophile. Muslim, USA born. Been “woke” 2x: 1st, when I realized the world isn’t fair; 2nd, when I realized the “woke” people are full of shit.

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