Are we relying on the government, or are we pooling our resources to get a better deal? If the government represents “We the people”, then the government is an extension of ourselves. Don’t corporations pool together the resources of their shareholders to get better deals buying at in bulk?

Sure. The debate is, however “what’s the best mechanism to achieve this?”

We need lower prices for health care insurance. Obviously. Which means we need lower health care costs. There are multiple ways the government can help achieve this, which is especially appropriate because government involvement is one of the primary causes of runaway health care inflation in the first place.

What we’re arguing about politically right now is not if the government should or should not be involved; Obamacare settled that argument in favor of the liberals. What we’re arguing about is the best way to achieve this cost control on into the future.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

You’re preaching to the choir here. I’ve made the point to the pure libertarians on the conservative side that having an ideology does not relieve one of the obligation to address real problems in the Republic. For example, the pure libertarians are of course correct that if you outlawed all health insurance tomorrow, prices would drop like a rock; no hospital, cardiologist, or supporting cast is going to see its operating rooms unused and their skills unused becuse they hold the line on charging 50K to put in a stent. The problem with that solution, though, is that many would die in the price adjustment period, and continue to die as even those lower prices were out of reach of the two lowest income quntiles. Not to mention the fact that medical innovations would dry up, since it wouldn’t be profitable to pursue them.

So, we need a better way forward.

It does not say anything about helping Oligarchs to strip the assets of weak countries around the would while pushing are country further into debt. If “We the people” want to pool our resources to “promote the general Welfare”, and we decide to do that through a government agency, what is so bad about that? Why can’t we make our own Costco for insurance?

I quite agree. But see above comment on the “mechanism”.

This current form of capitalism will not survive much longer; it is not sustainable. You can already see it in the context of the recent Russian sanctions. Germany is asked fall on the sword of American Imperialism without even a thought. It’s a sure sign that an empire has reached it’s peak when it starts cannibalizing it’s it’s vassal states.

That’s a bit too vague to comment on. Obviously, capitalism restructures itself every few decades; it restructured as the age of the first oligarchs (Carnegie, Rockefeller, etc) ended around the 1890’s; it restructured after WW2; and now we moving from a more egalitarian period unto the age of the “tech oligarchs”.

OTOH, if you’re saying that capitalism as a system must give way to socialism or even a European-style social democracy, I’d say you’re a fool. There have been many attempts, all a bit different, to create a more utopian, collectivist reality; all have failed. And even Europe has, for decades been restructuring their economies to look more like the Anglo model than the models they built after WW2. For one example, my own extended family in Sweden has experienced huge decreases in taxation rates and social assistance programs; my brother in law (retired) has a “free” (crappy) apartment, “free” medical care, but lives like an effing pauper because his retirement allowance is so tiny.

But, you;re right; when a nation’s “hottest companies” do nothing more than provide indolent entertainment and toys (Apple, Google, Facebook) and/or do nothing more than reroute revenues from established businesses into their own pockets (Amazon), you’re in some sort of capitalistic endgame that’s begging for a restructuring.

Data Driven Econophile. Muslim, USA born. Been “woke” 2x: 1st, when I realized the world isn’t fair; 2nd, when I realized the “woke” people are full of shit.

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