Clearly, anybody in first century Palestine would not have been “homo friendly”…Jesus included.

Sure. Sign of the times. The question is how progressive Jesus would have been in dealing with the the individuals. And He would have been, in my view, far more compassionate that the Law proscribed. I don’t think He would have condoned criminal punishment for it, and I don’t think He would have condoned discrimination for it.

But He would have been clear that a sin is a sin, in my view.

Talk about “intellectually fallacious”…any referencing of Sacred Texts has little to do with intellectual integrity except in doctrinal discussions among believers of those doctrines.

Yep. And you know what else is a problem here? It’s assuming that all the teachings of any religion are (a) written down, and then (b) can be treated like like they’re some sort of “moral checklist”. They’re not like that. They’re complicated. It’s philosophy, not math. These are religions traditions which are BROADLY oral in transmission, especially Christianity, which had no canon of scripture until the late 300’s. And their complexity is why you have people getting the equivalent of doctoral degrees in “Canon Law” (Christian/Catholic) and “Sharia Jurisprudence” (Islam) because all of the texts have a lot of texts which have to be harmonized not only with (a) other texts, but (b) oral traditions.

Until my team…or yours…inquires as to whether I have agreed to let that shit be part of the discussion it isn’t part of the discussion. It has been a long time since I was in Logics class but one of the fallacies must easily exposed is the Appeal to Authority…quoting the Bible is a glaring example of an Appeal to Authority.

Nods. And religious people of good character understand this. They call it “prooftexting”, where you go grab a hunk of text that makes your point, you drag it into a discussion without regard to its larger context or any other texts, teachings, or traditions of that religion, and plop it down on the table like you’ve proven something.

I do appreciate your response and I never like the tone of my words when I contend with someone or something by writing it down…I always sound like a pompous, sarcastic elitist. My apologies if that tone offended you. I am a fan of face-to-face interactions when it involves issues of substance and that is not an avenue available to us.

No worries.

Much of my personal spiritual life is animated and informed by the words of the Bible. I just think it’s rude, or lazy…or ineffective…or something I can’t quite find the word for…when it is used as a cudgel in secular or political discussion. That being said…if you can indulge the contradiction of quoting it now…the verse I’ve been running through my head of late is Galatians 6:9… “Let us not grow weary in well-doing for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” The sentiment helps me keep my head up …with my chin down… in these days and times. Do Take Care 😎


Data Driven Econophile. Muslim, USA born. Been “woke” 2x: 1st, when I realized the world isn’t fair; 2nd, when I realized the “woke” people are full of shit.

Data Driven Econophile. Muslim, USA born. Been “woke” 2x: 1st, when I realized the world isn’t fair; 2nd, when I realized the “woke” people are full of shit.