So…there have to be variations. Or am I wrong?
It’s not that there are zero variations, but in this case, it’s important to avoid becoming what Svetlana Voreskova (and Lenin) would have referred to as a “useful idiot.” You have to know what you’re really saying about yourself, IOW.
In this case, the “real feminists” want you to not think too deeply about the long term sociological ramifications of their philosophy. They WANT you to think of it in terms of a Chinese Buffet, so you will demonstrate with them and give money to them and vote with them and then when society is totally fucked up beyond all recognition just they way they want it and you hate it, they can thank you for your support.
I only know that here, we need a broader conversation, and I’d personally like to do away with labels as we levy this misunderstanding that started my response to the original replier.
Well, the “feminist” label is a good one to do away with. It now contains a toxic brew of antisocial objectives which are best opposed.
If I take any decent laundry list of feminist social demands, there are some I agree with. Doesn’t mean I’m a feminist. Just means that there are certain policy desires we have in common.
Why can’t we just make it humanism, do away with this weird war?
Humanism is an atheist philosophy. Best to just use the old tried and true “human rights” and leave it at that.
I’ve had extremely vitriolic feminists crawl up my rear end about support bisexuals in the LGBT sphere — as if bisexual people don’t count.
Sure. The existence of bisexuals and transgendered people stepped all over feminist thinking from a couple of decades ago. There was a period of time in the 80’s where bisexual women were persona non gratis at a lesbian bar. Still might be that way, from what you’re saying. But the reason is what it does to the underlying philosophy of the movement, not because of some sort of innate anti-bisexual bigotry. The bigotry is the symptom of the disease, the philosophy is the disease.
Section here on bisexuality and trangenderism makes interesting reading:
Lesbian feminism - Wikipedia
Lesbian feminism is a cultural movement and critical perspective, most influential in the 1970s and early 1980s…
I just don’t like seeing someone telling me what feminism is or isn’t when they aren’t a feminist and they aren’t me.
Nobody does. But if you’re going to use a label, you gotta know what the label encompasses.