NFL kneeling isn’t about a flag, and never was about a flag.

Quite right.

It’s about bringing attention to police brutality that victimizes black people.

That was Kap’s original issue, true. And perhaps for the ones that immediately followed him. The extent to which “police brutality victimizes black people” is somewhat questionable; I’ve seen statistics that both confirm and refute that thesis. But, that’s neither here nor there; it was still Kap’s original issue.

The individuals that kneeled before Trump’s statement were “pariahs” because the kneeling represented a black issue…and patriotism is more important than this black issue to them. Now, the people kneeling are “pariahs” because…although it has gotten away from the issue at hand…it stems from something black.

Hmmmm. I wouldn’t even go that far. The non-player employees (owners, coaches, etc.) are kneeling because they are terrified this might escalate into some sort of a strike, threatning their cash flows. I would assume that almost everyone who is kneeling SINCE the Trump remarks is kneeling either because of those remarks, OR because football (and the teammanship involved) is more important to them than anything else.

Not much of that is related to something “black.”

“Black” is something that a lot of white people across the country will acknowledge, but only when convenient, and only to the extent that they are internally comfortable doing so — and an NFL game was neither.

Well, I was raised around white people who were very comfortable around black people. I keep hearing that “white people are uncomfortable” with this or that regarding race, but I don’t have any experiential reason to agree with that opinion. Plus, polling which asks questions that are designed to unmask that sort of discomfort generally shows that maybe ….. 15% of the population has such feelings. Thats a lot of people, but certainly not even close to the majority of white people.

In other words, white rage was triggered here, because the topic of conversation was black advancement.

I see no evidence of “rage” in the racial sense. I see “rage” related to issues of patriotism, but broadly speaking, I don’t seen much evidence that the reaction to this is racial.

Fans watch black players every Sunday, so that wasn’t the problem…it’s that there was blackness with ambition, with drive, with purpose, with aspirations, and with demands that had to do with humanity outside of what black players were told to do by the NFL.

Damn. I do some hiring of technical consultants, and I would LOVE to get a stack of resumes from black people with ambition, drive, purpose, and aspirations, with the appropriate education and experience. So would virtually every corporation in America. 13% of my prospective hirees should be black, statistically; only 2%-3% are.

I think you’re living in a very glass-half-empty bubble. I think you’re looking at the social and economic condition of the average black person in America, comparing that to the social and economic condition of the average white person, and concluding that the delta between the two groups must be due to some sort of heinous actions on the part of the majority. I acknowlege that you believe that; I don’t think you have a prayer if you’re challenged to prove it.

One more thing — I think “bigotry” and “racism” are used a little too interchangeably when it comes to discussing discrimination and political issues.

I ABSOLUTELY agree with that. It’s a pet peeve of mine.

Let’s say that trump singling out black athletes in his statements was not overt bigotry, like perhaps using a racial slur would be…and that he is not a “bigot”.

Well, Trump didn’t single out black athletes in his statement. He singled out athletes acting in a disrespectful manner during the national anthem. From his words, the race of the athletes was not relevant.

Trump is still a racist because he’s benefiting from his access to power, which comes from being white. He may not be intentionally shaping the country through a “white” lens, but that is what he’s doing and the majority of the country will accept that.

Seriously, I have no idea what that means. The definition of “racist” you’re using applies to 100% of white people in America; that’s too broad a definition to label all of America with. To paraphrase:

Further, I have an issue with “shaping the country through a white lens”. How would that be done, specifically, seeing that racial preferences in hiring, housing, etc., have been outlawed for generations?

Data Driven Econophile. Muslim, USA born. Been “woke” 2x: 1st, when I realized the world isn’t fair; 2nd, when I realized the “woke” people are full of shit.

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