I agree that there is self-selection involved, but there is also societal push back when women try to step out of the roles they are proscribed.

Of course there is societal pushback. If you assume there’s six thousand years of human history, for 5800 of them brawn was either more important than brain, or existed on an equal footing with it. It’s only been in the last 150 years or so that we weren’t disavantaged by physicality and/or the need to stay pregnant because half our children would die before puberty. That sort of thing has lasting effect.

Women often experience hostile work environments in male-dominated fields that lead many to leave the field. A 2014 study showed that women are 45% more likely to leave science jobs within a year than men are. That can’t be accounted for by this self-selection bias.

I don’t think “often” is the right word. If it were “often” occurring, we’d been seeing Gloria Allred chasing ambulances all over the nation. The laws on harrassment are rather clear, and every corporation I’ve ever been with has been very careful to educate their employees on what is acceptable and what is not.

On the second point, there’s no information provided on why those women leave the field. People switch occupations all the time without bias being one of the reasons. I don’t doubt your data, but there’s no information as to why it’s occurring.

Consider the stories this year about the harassment women in astrophysics dealt with from the leaders in the field such as Geoffrey Marcy. This is the sort of behavior the current women’s movement is trying to address.

Well, yes, but there’s as much chance that Marcy is just an isolated asshole as there is he’s indicative of a larger systemic problem. One needs to know the disease before one can prescribe the medication, as it were.

All in all, though, this is moving the goalposts a bit. I’ve read enough of Svetlana Voreskova’s material now to realize that she stays very grounded on certain principles. ONE is that legally in the West, women already have the same rights as men; there’s nothing more to demand, and if we did, we might not like the results, because ( TWO) in many cases, we have MORE rights than men. THREE is that the vast majority of the differences in sex-based outcomes on matters such as wages is due to self-selection, not bias.

What you’ve moved into now is a broader discussion of how the attitude of men towards women affects job/wage outcomes, and that’s not something that additional legislation can really address; and from the data, I’m not sure it’s worth addressing, as it seems to be working itself out rather rapidly over time.

My $.02

Written by

Data Driven Econophile. Muslim, USA born. Been “woke” 2x: 1st, when I realized the world isn’t fair; 2nd, when I realized the “woke” people are full of shit.

Get the Medium app

A button that says 'Download on the App Store', and if clicked it will lead you to the iOS App store
A button that says 'Get it on, Google Play', and if clicked it will lead you to the Google Play store