So, you are advocating a return to the dark ages.

Not at all. I’m simply stating that religious mores and social mores are destined to conflict. That’s hardly a controversial idea.

Now, if you personally believe that’s a “return to the dark ages”, that’s entirely your perogative. Not all would agree.

(And in general, these conversations go better when you listen to what *I* say, and not try to put words in my mouth. Just sayin’.)

We have have hundreds, heck thousands of years of history where only the “one true church” could determine what truth was, and people were not free to find their own truth.

Please. Religion has never been about finding “one’s own truth”. It’s about building a salvatory relationship with God, who is the single source of ALL truth.

This stopped scientific progress. The one true church threatened to torture Galileo because he believed the earth rotated around the sun.

I completely agree that AT TIMES, religious belief has conflicted with science. This is not surprising, since religion and science are designed to answer two entirely different types of questions. When religious leaders have demanded that religion answers scientific questions, matters haven’t ended well.

That doesn’t mean we toss the baby out with the bathwater.

There is a reason why civilized people no longer think this kind of nonsense, and why we allow each person to come to their own relationship with and their own understanding of God.

Well, yes, there are a few splinter groups in Christianity which have, as mentioned, tossed the baby out, and have moved into “whatever you want to believe is good.”

I wouldn;t necessarily characterize those people as “civilized”, and of course the vast majority of Christians — and certainly Muslims — believe that what you’re espousing is heresy. And of course it completely ignores the reality that God has told us (regardless of tradition) in some detail how to force that salvatory relationship.

In my view, we ignore His advice at our peril.


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Data Driven Econophile. Muslim, USA born. Been “woke” 2x: 1st, when I realized the world isn’t fair; 2nd, when I realized the “woke” people are full of shit.

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