I’m not sure why feminism is the fall guy for the breakdown of the family, but I hear this a lot, in the anti-feminist rhetoric.

To be honest I’m not deep into feminism as explored in the academy or how it Intersects with Marxism, and all that. I think if I were to entertain all of that, I might end up distancing myself from feminism, as well. But that’s not what feminism means to me.

There’s a point here that Svetlana Voreskova and I have discussed previously that’s worth mentioning here.

In “western education”, we are taught that a religious, philosophical, or ideologic system is the sum of its component parts. This leads one to the view that one can accept “some but not all” of those parts and still be part of that religious, philosophical, or ideologic system. Hence my previous comments about the Chinese Buffet.

In EASTERN thought (which encompasses not just Oriental religions and philosophy, but Islam, Judaism, and certainly Russian and Greek Orthodoxy) this is akin to nonsense. Eastern thinking tends to be more holistic. If you align with X, you accept ALL of X, or else you can’t honestly say you align with X.

So, if you “think eastern”, it makes no rational sense to say you’re a “feminist” if you don’t accept the consensus views of the women who are generally accepted as the “feminist thinkers.”

So, to an “eastern thinker” who thinks holistically about such matters, you cannot say “I’m a feminist” without accepting some of these rather nasty views of the feminist icons. Rather, you would simply say “I believe in equal rights between men and women” but not “I’m a feminist” even though you share that view with them.

Hope that makes sense.

or me it does mean advocating for certain basic rights under the law, to be applied equally. Simple stuff that most women take for granted: the right to vote, the right to own property, the right to open a bank account, the right to pursue an education. That’s feminism too, albeit a very pedestrian brand apparently.

Well…..if that’s your view of feminism, I’d say “mission accomplished”, accept victory, and push away from table. Women do have equal rights with men, after all.

I am aware, however, that there is some extreme ideology around feminism. But to say it’s responsible for the breakdown of the family-I think is conflating as you would say.

I wouldn’t say that they’ve had much success in this objective to date. But it remains an objective.

The breakdown of the family and by extension communities, is extremely distressing to everyone. But there are a lot of factors. Diversity and multiculturalism are a factor for sure. Families congeal around certain cultural norms, and over the course of my own life, I have seen multiculturalism throw a jack knife into all of that. Drastic changes in the economy as well. Drugs and addiction more so than anything, devastates families and communities, and that’s been a problem for a while. That’s what prohibition was all about.

Agreed. And the uptick in substance abuse in the communities affected by outsourcing of manufacturing is a large part of why we have the administration we have today.

I can appreciate that labeling your own views as “conservative” allows you to view all of these issues through a certain lens, that makes sense to you, but we are all trying to make sense of chaos, and depending on whatever our life experiences are, different lenses are more or less appealing. People who are liberal, or progressive are doing the same thing. And more often than not, if you would just talk to them you would find common ground or at the very least understand why they view things through a chosen lens.

Reasonable people generally find common ground. People are not labels.

Well, I’m glad after many iterations of “fuck you” “no fuck you!” We did find this common ground. There is hope for our very multicultural, many faceted, all over the political spectrum America!

Pax.

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Data Driven Econophile. Muslim, USA born. Been “woke” 2x: 1st, when I realized the world isn’t fair; 2nd, when I realized the “woke” people are full of shit.

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