If you think that there have been decades of socialistic leftist governments in the west then I’m afraid that you haven’t a clue.

This is kind of an odd statement. We just went though a campaign where one of the two candidates on the Democrat side insisted that European nations were “socialist leftist governments”, and we needed to be more like them.

However, if you point is to be true to the actual MEANING of the term “socialist”, then you’re largely correct; we haven’t seen western democracies, to any prevailing extent, decide that they wished to own the means of production.

That said, most western nations follow a high level of collectivism, where taxation, particularly on the middle class, is substantially higher than in the US, for which in return a higher level of government services is expected. Its not “socialism”, but its certainly “leftism”, if you assume (as most do) that economically speaking the “far right = laissez faire”, and “far left = pure socialism”.

It’s your right wing nonsense that has failed. As it inevitably would. It’s economic gibberish.

Well, if you don’t like economic freedom, what are you proposing? :-) The fact that you properly recognize that the economic decline of the US began in the mid-70’s, immediately after two of the most economically liberal presidents in US history (Johnson and Nixon) doesn’t bode well for you blaming the event on “right wing nonsense”.

Do tell. I tend to see the problem not as “left vs right” but “conservative econ being supplanted by corporatism”.

Written by

Data Driven Econophile. Muslim, USA born. Been “woke” 2x: 1st, when I realized the world isn’t fair; 2nd, when I realized the “woke” people are full of shit.

Get the Medium app

A button that says 'Download on the App Store', and if clicked it will lead you to the iOS App store
A button that says 'Get it on, Google Play', and if clicked it will lead you to the Google Play store