First and foremost: You seem to imply with your discussion of intrinsic/extrinsic motivation, “the full dole”, etc. that the basic income by itself will suffice to survive in any sort of reasonable condition. But that’s not what I’m proposing (for now, see below for elaboration); I hope I’m making this clear.

If you do the math, it would be impossible to supply even a “living wage” as UBI. I use that term deliberately, because it won’t be long before the moonbats demand that the UBI supply some sort of subsistence level funding. So, no, I am not naive enough for even a second that UBI will be a few hundred a month and stay there ad infinitum.

I’m also surprised to find you and Jacobin in agreement on anything.

Agreement is not really the point. The point is that if automation and outsourcing cause an irresolveable secular increase in unemployment, UBI is a failure of imagination. They are better ways to do it.

I want a basic income now so that we have the institution set up in case we find ourselves in this world later.

So let’s just set up the GBI program now on a smaller scale. There are potholes to be filled and kids to educate.

Are we willing to accept this for humans?

No. There is indeed a Blade Runner scenario out there, and yes, there has to be an adaptation.

A jobs program doesn’t make sense because in such a scenario there is nothing “productive” which can be done.

If you don’t think better infrastructure and better education is productive, then we’re done. I personally will never support a UBI, and would seriously consider emigrating (and taking my daughter’s rather substantial future income stream out of the reach of the bureaucrats) if we were ever stupid enough to go there.

Data Driven Econophile. Muslim, USA born. Been “woke” 2x: 1st, when I realized the world isn’t fair; 2nd, when I realized the “woke” people are full of shit.

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