I don’t see how you call a country with deep sectarian tensions and terrorists running rampant (even in 2009) was tensions being resolved.

If it is your opinion that the reduction in force was irrelevant to the increase of regional problems and ISIS, then that will have to be your opinion. I believe the facts point otherwise.

Egypt was not US sponsored, plain and simple.

Nobody argued that it was “sponsored”. That said, Egypt is the second-largest reciepient of US aid behind Israel historically, and it is absurd to argue that Mubarak could have been overthrown had the US not telegraphed that they were going to stay on the sidelines. The Adminstration was intoxicated with the fantasy that there was such a thing as an “Arab Spring” that was going to democratize the region, and abandoned a long-time ally who was far from the worst human rights violator in the region.

You may continue to defend the indefensible, if you like. That’s on you.

What happened in Libya was a mess. But it’s very easy to sit on your laptop and call Obama an idiot, when you’re not being asked by the world what you’re going to do about the guy killing people with helicopters.

It’s also very easy to sit at your laptop and ignore the fact that the Administration ignored the lesson of Iraq and sponsored the removal of Qaddafi despite his disavowal of terrorism and WMDs, resulting in a failed state and a foothold in Northern Africa for terrorist organizations, as well as far more human misery and deaths than what we hoped to avert under Qaddafi.

And if that wasn’t enough, we then doubled down on our ineptitude by throwing our Libyan counterparties under the bus and disputed with them the cause of Benghazi, claiming it had to do with some internet video.

If there was one single reason to keep Clinton out of the White House, it was her naive misreading and subsequent bungling of the Libyan situation. And that statement is valid even if you remove Benghazi from the equation.

And conservatives love bringing up Syria, but always like to mention the Russia-sized elephant in the room.

I assume, since “conservatives love bringing it up”, that means that liberals want to “sweep it under the rug”. I would, too, if I were you. This “Assad must go” rhetoric as fueled the mess over there even more than the money and weapons we have sent to that mythical entity called the “moderate Syrian rebels”, although it is unfair to blame Obama Administration solely; they were certainly goaded on by the neocons on our side as well.

Potential nuclear disaster is not well enough alone.

Yes, there’s always some disaster that justifies the appeasement and bribery of terrorists. And if you can throw your geopolitical allies under the bus at the same time, all the better. (/sarc)

Wanna tell that to the families who have forces in Iraq? Would you like to to explain how safe Kirkuk and Mosul were to families who lost loved ones there?

That’s a nonsequitur; nobody is arguing that those zones weren’t “hot” at various points during the high points of the Iraq war. The point is that they had become safe zones in the period prior to the reduciton in force.

And, btw, appeals to emotion are a logical fallacy.

I would not. Fact of the matter is that more than 60% of Americans wanted the US out of Iraq by 2009, and Obama heeded that wish.

That’s a cowardly argument, especially when it comes to foreign policy. If Obama had wanted to stay the course (or, if he had been able to see into the future), he would have ignored the public and stayed. He’s not a dumb man. He made a misread, pulled out, and it turned out to be a mistake that fueled a human disaster.

Hope all’s well with the fam though.

Racism is the enemy, no matter how and though who it manifests.

Ok there #alllivesmatter. I’ve never seen white people afraid for their lives at a police stop, or denied the same quality of life in general. Until we reach a point where that is no longer the case, I don’t want to hear about how tough white conservatives have it with mean old Sharpton calling them names. Not the same.

Got it. Racism’s not the problem. It’s white folks. (rolls my eyes)

Next time, address the point. You didn’t.

Data Driven Econophile. Muslim, USA born. Been “woke” 2x: 1st, when I realized the world isn’t fair; 2nd, when I realized the “woke” people are full of shit.

Data Driven Econophile. Muslim, USA born. Been “woke” 2x: 1st, when I realized the world isn’t fair; 2nd, when I realized the “woke” people are full of shit.