But I’ll just go with what the former CIA director John Brennan testified to today, under oath, in hearings on the matter.
I will too. Trey Gowdy pressed him HARD on the matter of collusion, conspiracy, coordination. Remember, this is a guy (Brennan) who has read transcripts of all the phone calls between these counterparties. It’s not like Mueller is suddenly going to find out there were more phone calls or the ones that were made suddenly have more sentences in them. They are a finite entity. If Brennan has seen nothing, that pretty much means there was nothing.
Yes there are credible theories that the communications between Besty Devos company servers, Trump Tower servers, and Cyprus Bank ( A Russian owned Bank) were laundering stolen voter data for the purposes of targeting specific voters by cross referencing medical records with voter data and then using that information to reach Facebook “Influencers” or simply people who would buy conspiracy theories. Advertising in itself is not legal. But advertising that relies on stolen data is.
Full stop, because you just moved the goalposts. Let’s peel the onion a bit.
There is voter data which is publicly available and there is voter data which is not publicly available. Obviously, the data that is publicly available has been purged of personally identifiable information (aka PII to IT security pros). So if anyone had the OTHER kind of voter data, they obtained it illegally, and that’s a crime. But if it’s not an American entity who hacked it, the “Resistance” is back to square one.
But, why? If I want to run targeted advertising to voters, I don’t NEED the dataset with the PII. Why? Because the census bureau gives me, free of charge, all the demographic information I could possibly ever need, broken down by zip code. Race, income level, union households, the amount of info they have is staggering, and it’s all free. The publicly available voter dataset allows me to fine tune my data by precinct, and a little smart coding can then give me everything I need to run targeted and automated campaigns on social media and door to door.
So, good luck with this one. I suppose it’s possible that somebody was really stupid and didn’t know they didn’t need the PII, but I doubt it.
Bringing up the Taj Mahal episode just shows that Trump could be susceptible.
To what? Throwing out that factoid is meaningless. He was fined, and there was no evidence of any actual money laundering.
Again…if the evidence is good enough for former CIA head Brennan…it’s good enough for me. I also point to the fact that Rodger Stone predicted the Podesta email drop BEFORE it happened while talking to Gucifer 2.0 — a known proxy for Russian intelligence. That shows collusion right there.
First off, let’s not lose sight of the point that Trump may have hired scumbuckets who did stuff, but that doesn’t mean that Trump was involved.
More importantly, you’re misreading Stone’s statements. I suggest you go back and read the entire sequence of events. Stone did not predict an “email drop” — he predicted that things in a generic sense were going to get messy for Podesta. My read is that he knew something was coming, but may have not known what; and if he was told obliquely rather that specifically….then that’s not collusion. Do you see the legal distinctions here? Because the “Resistance” people are ignoring them completely.
It needs to be investigated anyway. We need to understand how it happened regardless of collusion for the sake of our democracy. Americans should be the ones electing our Presidents…not Putin.
If there’s one certain outcome of all this, it’s that Putin didn’t have enough influence to “elect a president”.
I’ll also add the moral point, that if we want other nations to not get involved in our elections (there was controversy about the role China played in the 1990’s after all), we should probably not try to influence theirs.
Ironic, though, that all division over Russia’s role plays right into the hands of …..Russia.