If I had to pin point where the split originated, I would have to to Newt Gingrich. The more this contract unfolded in policy, the less it actually favored anyone but corporations. I do not find corporate welfare a conservative and free market virtue at all.

I completely agree that the GOP’s habit of conflating corporatism with conservativism is one of their largest problems.

Then under Bush, while I was one of the ones who would point out it is spending that causes deficits, not taxes, spending hardly ever went down, whether under conservative republican control or not. For all the talk of reducing spending, it would go up just as much under the GOP.

And, that would be the other “large problem”. They cut taxes while leading people to believe they will also cut spending, when in fact it is very difficult (if not impossible) to do it, they way the government accounts for money.

In reality, the only real way to create whatever one wants to create is, honestly, not to depend on art making as your source of income. I do not mean we shouldn’t have professional artists. I am one. But it does mean an artist should really, honestly reflect on the art they want to make and who would support it.

Hence the concept of the “starving artist” who is not famous until after death. (That said, I agree with you.)

It was all a mask of political power, not sound policy OR Christianity.

I’m not in disagreement with that either.

I remember becoming furious because Clinton was being attacked as a draft dodger. I have eight years on you, and I remember well how pretty much *everyone* was a draft dodger back then. The only people that wanted to enlist during the Vietnam era did so because they decided to roll the dice; if you enlisted for a five year term, you had a higher chance of staying out of the Vietnam theatre; if your number came up in the lottery and you were drafted, you were in Vietnam before you could blink.

And, that was not even close to the most common maneuver. Just going through my boyfriends at the time……the plum assignment was to sign up for the reserves, but it was well known you needed political connections to get that deal. Failing that, (I was raised in upstate New York) it was off to Canada; when we competed against the U of Waterloo swim team, I think half the men’s team were draft dodgers.

So, castigating Clinton from pulling all the strings he could to stay out of the draft and stay at Yale and Oxford…..seemed more than little hypocritical to me.

And that’s what I have found in the Church as well. It has little to do with loving God and loving our neighbor as ourselves. It has everything to do with power, espeically political.

How about a Christian denomination known for being apolitical? (Might need to steer clear of the evangelicals.)

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Data Driven Econophile. Muslim, USA born. Been “woke” 2x: 1st, when I realized the world isn’t fair; 2nd, when I realized the “woke” people are full of shit.

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